Julia Orwell

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  Is it just me...

  by Freeof1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i haven't been on this site for as long as many of you, but when i first started it just felt like much more supportive and constructive.

  as of late though it just seems to be a very toxic and argumentative place to be.

  i speak for myself and i believe others as well, when i say that some of us need a place where we can vent, speak our minds freelym and not feel attacked.

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  Julia Orwell

  I agree. We need to remember where we've all come from and why we're here rather than picking at each other and squabbling.
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  JW Apolgist rant here...and confession.

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i really don't like people disparaging active jws on this site by calling them stupid, idiots, morons and that, and making out like they're willing puppets to the gb or cruel at heart.

  or describing them like they're puke or as having no desire to learn or listen.. to you, all these things may be true.

  we all have opinions and are entitled to them.

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  Thanks all for your support! I honestly thought I'd get shouted down for what I posted, but I'm pleasantly surprised. As for the jws who really are nasty, like the career CO someone mentioned, yep, I know the type well enough. My op wasn't referring to them. Give em hell for hurting people and trampling the nice jws! I don't feel sorry for the self righteous career jws. I generally kept away from them when I was in. I thought they were asses.

  Goody Procter is a character from The Crucible. I was referencing that text in my op. It's to do with denouncing innocent people for your own gain and the whole witch hunt thing.
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  Trying to overcome my homophobia.

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had a music album by a gay guy before i was a jw and had no problem listening to it.

  it's good music.

  some of the lyrics are what you might call 'gay', that is there's some talk about boyfriends, gay bars, and queens and the intolerance the artist encountered as a gay man.

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  hanks is all for your kind comments. I would like to have some gay friends and I suppose that should be a goal. I have trouble making friends because I'm still smarting from my jw experience and 1) don't feel I can open to new people just yet; and 2) I actually am not sure how one makes friends in person outside jws because I'm finding that outside the cult you have to build friendships because they don't just get shoved on you at the kh!

  As for thanking military personnel, we don't get many of them on the street here. But my brother was in for nearly the whole time I was a jw and just left this year. Deep down for years I was proud of what he achieved (quite a lot it turns out) and only when he left and I left jws at the same time could I actually tell him how proud I was of him. I wish I could have told him when he achieved these things. It was too late when he finished...and deep down I've always been proud of my grandfather who was a Rat of Tobruk and in the first division to beat the Germans for the first time in ww2. It was hard as a jw feeling guilty for these authentic feelings, but now I can tell the story with pride, although like the gay thing, phobic feelings remain.
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  Trying to overcome my homophobia.

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had a music album by a gay guy before i was a jw and had no problem listening to it.

  it's good music.

  some of the lyrics are what you might call 'gay', that is there's some talk about boyfriends, gay bars, and queens and the intolerance the artist encountered as a gay man.

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  Julia Orwell

  I had a music album by a gay guy before I was a JW and had no problem listening to it. It's good music. Some of the lyrics are what you might call 'gay', that is there's some talk about boyfriends, gay bars, and queens and the intolerance the artist encountered as a gay man. When I became a JW I stopped listening to it. This is going back to the mid nineties.

  I loved that album and missed it for a long time. Well, one day recently I found it again at my mum's house and put it on. I still love the music, the same music I loved on it when I was 13 before this whole JW fiasco. I've worked with gay people and really, I couldn't care less that they were men and had male partners, or when I met a woman's female partner or whatever.

  But the JW religion so indoctrinated me with a phobic reaction to homosexuality, I am having really strong feelings of guilt listening to this album right now. I know it's silly, because a story about a men finding love and that is really nice, whether they're gay or not. I'm torn between really enjoying my ancient forbidden music, and connecting with a part of myself from 20 years ago, and ingrained fear of anything 'gay'. I know it's irrational, and I feel guilty for having this reaction. It's funny that a part of me still revolts against gayness. I breed birds, and some of my buyers are gay (I notice gay men really love their pet birds and I know if I have a gay couple come and buy, those birds will be well looked after) and on one level I don't care and realise it's none of my business, but 15 years of JW conditioning vies with it in a strong negative and derogatory reaction. Before I was a JW, I was vocally pro-gay, even though I am straight. Now I know gay people are the same as straight, but my crazy emotions aren't keeping up.

  If you're gay and reading this, please don't be offended. I think you're great and there's nothing wrong with you. I try to learn more about the gay perspective because it's 10% of the world's population, which is something really noticing, and besides, I think you're gorgeous. I just wish I could rid myself of 15 years of JW conditioning. Even now my feelings are rebelling at this song about 'you're one in a million men..." sung by a man. So stupid. What should I do?
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  If the society started posting dfs and dAs on it's website

  by 20yearfader in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember as a kid always hearing my mother saying "i wish the society would announce dfs and das to all the congs in the circuit" if the wt would ever do this like post all the dfs and das and inactive witnesses on there website how would this effect you?would it open them up to some sort of legal action?.

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  Gosh there's no way you can get a clean slate with these guys is there? Unless you're a pedophile.
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  Question for JW apologists...

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the new new world translation translates jeremiah 29:10 as follows:.

  10 for this is what jehovah says, when 70 years at babylon are ful?lled, i will turn my attention to you, and i will make good my promise by bringing you back to this place.. the official watch tower society teaching is that by the end of the 70 years, the jews were back in judea, and that their actual arrival in judea marks the end of the "70 years".

  *** si p. 85 par.

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  Julia Orwell

  Tumbleweed blows through...no one can refute your logic bro.
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  How I recently handled JWs at my door

  by Christian guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

  i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

  so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

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  Julia Orwell

  Oh here we go...I didn't mean to prolong the debate and deepen the divide between believers and non believers...
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  Life after death OR Consciousness after death?

  by Space Madness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are we conscious after death?

  if we don't understand why and how consciousness exsist now, how do we know it doesn't continue after death?

  can consciousness survive the death of the body?

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  Julia Orwell

  I've been clinically dead and saw the 'light'. I think it's the last spark in one's conscious before it's lights-out for good. many on the brink of death have seen 'the light'. Whatever it is, I don't think it's to be feared.
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  Drop the bomb!

  by apocalypse in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i had a chance to drop a bomb on a 'bro' that i have known many years.

  you should'a been there.. (this is the second time in less than 2 months i have dropped this particular bomb on a bro and in this manner).

  before i tell the story, which you will enjoy, note that i have remained "in" the org for many years after finding out the ttatt.. 1) for the sake of family (limited time left).

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  Julia Orwell

  Sneaky sobs, changing their history as they go to deny they ever got something wrong...I wonder who else has done that? Stalin, North Korea, Mao...
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  How I recently handled JWs at my door

  by Christian guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

  i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

  so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

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  Julia Orwell

  Damn straight!